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@  Jask : (30 July 2014 - 11:57 PM) Slightly more than other weapon types, since they calculateraw off display raw. Still minimally, though. Basically don't set them to Attack Up dances if you plan in using might seeds/pills and don't pick your shaka dances for the Attack Up buff.
@  Cirno : (30 July 2014 - 11:49 PM) yes but how does this influence bowguns
@  Jask : (30 July 2014 - 11:27 PM) Not really, true raw, so after the divider, when an end game GS has the same raw as an end game DB. Its a tiny boost for everything.
@  Mad Hatter : (30 July 2014 - 10:48 PM) So would it work better with fast weapons than slow weapons?
@  Jask : (30 July 2014 - 10:45 PM) Turns out Cha-Cha and Kayamba's Attack Up dances give a static boost, not a percentage one. +3 true raw for Small once up to +8 for Large doubled up. All of it lower than the Might Seeds that they don't stack with.
@  Cirno : (30 July 2014 - 04:27 PM) "This will being attention to monster hunter in the west", take a shot.
@  Jader7777 : (30 July 2014 - 01:04 PM) I'm suggesting it to everyone. I really want a GOOD demo to go out, it'll really help the game.
@  dunpeal : (30 July 2014 - 11:52 AM) I do feel like the release of 4U is really MonHun's big chance. Such a large install base on the 3ds, no Wii U version to make people think their portable game is inferior, online play... it just seems like everything is in line for the game to be more than it is outside Japan.
@  dunpeal : (30 July 2014 - 11:50 AM) Will fly off the shelves
@  Jader7777 : (30 July 2014 - 11:35 AM) Monster Hunter 4 is all like THE GAME IS MULTIPLAYER AND YOU CAN HOLD ONTO THE MONSTER.
@  Jader7777 : (30 July 2014 - 11:35 AM) I think the MH3U box art was a telling of how you can fight the monster but also 'be the monster' ala the armor looking the same.
@  MrT : (30 July 2014 - 06:20 AM) Yes?
@  Xero : (30 July 2014 - 05:51 AM) MrT
@  Xero : (30 July 2014 - 05:50 AM) mrt
@  Jask : (29 July 2014 - 04:00 PM) GS can do it, just keep them separate with dung bombs.
@  MrT : (29 July 2014 - 02:27 PM) I did the quest using gigginox X and using dirty grahf. Spammed bombs too. The brachydios' were cooperative too, often when one leave the other enters.
@  dunpeal : (29 July 2014 - 02:25 PM) Yikes. Might not be able to pull that off with a GS solo.
@  Cirno : (29 July 2014 - 02:22 PM) You do fight both at once though
@  Cirno : (29 July 2014 - 02:22 PM) Tundra
@  dunpeal : (29 July 2014 - 02:19 PM) I don't have the urgent yet...please tell me its not in an arena

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So what do you think about charm cheating?


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#1 exsea

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Posted 28 December 2010 - 09:17 AM

When I first found out that in MHTri there was a new equipment called charms I was intrigued. Later I would find out that charms required luck in mining. In MHP3 this feature is still available.

Back in MHU, if you wanted to get an armor with a set of skills, you had to spend time comparing armor pieces, slots as well as jewels. Once you've finished "drafting" your desired armor, all you need to do is hunt for the parts. Yeah sure, sometimes you need to get some super rare items but at least when you get a super rare item it is the super rare that you want. For example if you needed a monoblos heart you could go hunting monoblos or fight some shogun crabs, within hours (or less) you would get the desired piece and hunt for the next item.

Isn't that what monster hunter is about? Hunting monsters? Specific monsters to give you specific parts so you can get the desired armor? Even building armor is like playing a complex version of tetris. Trying to fit in as many skills that you desire with limited choices.

Charm hunting is plain ridiculous. It is like a lottery. Getting a super rare charm does not mean you get the super rare charm that you want. It is merely 1 super rare out of many. Thus it would eventually seem impossible to get the charm that you desire. Unless of course you spend an obscene amount of mining.

I know it is possible to "improve your chances" by finding out which charm table you are currently on, yet from a gamer point of view, we shouldn't even need to know that there are many charm tables. In the end after you've killed every single monster and finished every single quest in the game, your armor may not be "complete" due to the lack of desired charm. So what does a player do when they finish everything?

They go on mining runs. Grueling boring mining runs. A player may amass a fortune of ore from these runs having ridiculously amount of zeny if they attempted to actually sell the ore.

I know that some games require patience and that monster hunter rewards players for being patient (you get to kill monsters more efficiently) but I find that monster hunter ends up becoming a mining game. I am lucky to get a +5 artisan charm by pure dumb luck early in the game as well as a +4 stamina with 3 slot charm but still. I find that it is much too random for my liking.

I read somewhere that it's possible to just "get" the charm that you've always wanted instead of going on mining runs.

This would require cheating. I personally frown upon cheating in general, especially when it involves multiplayer. However due to the nature and insane difficulty to get a single optimal charm that you want is based on pure dumb luck I feel ever so tempted to just go ahead and cheat (I still need to find out how to do it lol).

So anyone wanna share their opinions?

I personally feel like it would be ok to cheat for charms.
FYI I've spent days mining only to get crappy charms. I've practically ranked up and kill amatsu all by myself and has been playing solo all the way for MHP3.

#2 ranmuke

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Posted 28 December 2010 - 09:30 AM

Honestly, they should somewhat let you make charms like you spend certain monster parts to reach those skill points...

For Me / My opinions:
Making charms outside game possibilities is unacceptable.
- game-wise, you are really cheating....
- if the game possibilities says its impossible then you should not have it.

Multiplying your farmed charms to get your wanted charm is tolerable.
- I do this to check if certain charms are plausible [keep it then try farming for it just to have an authentic one..]
- Certain people do this since automated charm farming is not plausible

Farming for that coveted charm is admirable.
- kudos to those who do this, you got my respect.
- I was forced to do this with Tri. Never thought I needed to do this twice again! [MHP3rd then MHF3 in the future.]

Using CFW cheats to make a game-legal charm?
- this would be a salvation for people who already spent more than 10 hours farming for that dream charm to complete their sets.
- also, a point of abuse to people who wish to cheat skills via cheats.

It's really a gray territory if you ask me.

Edited by ranmuke, 28 December 2010 - 09:33 AM.

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Posted 28 December 2010 - 09:31 AM

I literally spammed on rathalos just to farm timeworn charms in tri.

200+ los is not funny when all you get is junk.

2 potential +7 oo- slots
1 attack +7 oo- slots

was all i got so far that's considered useful.


I dunno, i got a lot of good zenny while doing that.

Inclined to cheating though.
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Posted 28 December 2010 - 09:39 AM

I wouldn't really care. I'd probably do it if it doesn't involve creating custom charms. *Respect* isn't gonna bring back all those hours I would've spent mindlessly bashing cracks on boring gathering quest runs.

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Posted 28 December 2010 - 09:43 AM

^

statement made of WIN
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#6 3rdrun

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Posted 28 December 2010 - 09:47 AM

I share your frustration on charms. But then, rage-induction is part of the game. Personally, I wont mind cheating, but I'd keep my own character free. The feeling of taint from cheating is the opposite of the feeling of satisfaction of getting what you want from pure grind.

And the money from selling those literally thousands of ores is enough to ease some pain, I'd say.

At least it's not FFXI grind. Fuck FFXIV.

This statement was made when the author was a free man, and does not apply to the author when 2011 comes. Amen.

Edited by 3rdrun, 28 December 2010 - 09:53 AM.

Not specialist anymore. Not regretting it. Maybe.

#7 ranmuke

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Posted 28 December 2010 - 09:50 AM

I wouldn't really care. I'd probably do it if it doesn't involve creating custom charms. *Respect* isn't gonna bring back all those hours I would've spent mindlessly bashing cracks on boring gathering quest runs.


True, so true... *cries* CAPCOM BRING BACK THOSE HOURS OF MY LIFE THAT I WASTED FOR CHARMS!
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Posted 28 December 2010 - 09:56 AM

I have done around +300 volcano mining run, and know what im seriously thinking about that, this is monster hunter not , lottery ticket hunter.

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Posted 28 December 2010 - 09:56 AM

When I think about it though, I don't think it'll be that much of an issue to me. Just give me Sharpness+1 and/or Sharp sword on a handsome-looking set and I'm pretty much set.

EDIT: also, grinding for monster parts =/= grinding for charms. The former has the potential to be fun all throughout the ordeal.

Edited by Usul, 28 December 2010 - 10:04 AM.


#10 exsea

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Posted 28 December 2010 - 10:26 AM

yeah, seems like there are others who have the same thoughts as me.

just to clarify, i would cheat for a charm that is possible to get in game. but never cheat for something impossible.

if creating charms are the only method.
i'd refer to the charm max guide and replicate charms that are available. but not to the extent of making godlike super hack charms with +15 artisan. if i were to cheat probably i'd use existing charms as a template for charms that i would create.

i would prefer if there's a charm list from which i could just choose what i wanted. at least with that i know it's a "legit" charm only obtained through cheats

in an essence i m just saving myself from what USUL mentioned. the respect gained from mining 1000 hours just to get one uber charm is just not worth it. in fact, i'd rather be known as a cheater rather than a person who would spend that much time just to get a freaking charm.

it's bloody lifeless that's what it is.

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Posted 28 December 2010 - 10:31 AM

one thing i would like to point out is that i feel that charms were created just to offset skills that require 15 slots such as artisan. back in mhu everyone could work for the armour they wanted with a guarantee that it can be completed within a week. with the randomness of charms its just a chore to increase your playtime.

having a artisan+5 and expert+3 charm i feel lucky to have it. but then having it gives me the notion of : "why couldn't it be artisan +5 and **preferred skill here**+3?"

and thus began my mining journey.

playing on and off, mining like an idiot, the best i could get is artisan+4 with some other skill that i dont give a rats ass about.

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Posted 28 December 2010 - 10:51 AM

i have two +4 element OOO slot jewel i feel so godamn lucky about that.. but i only needed one><.
so yea go to hell hard charm farming.. especialy when you keep getting gunnery +10, X+4 all the time ><

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Posted 28 December 2010 - 11:19 AM

...
I am NOT looking forward to this.

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Posted 28 December 2010 - 11:23 AM

okay...

so we need to call holywoodchuck, because IIRC he got some clue about this charm cheats...
and if you're comparing 'legit' charms...

is handicraft+5 expert+10 possible ?
because according to this site : hore.mokoaki.net/p4 <-- that charm didn't even exist unless you cheated... :)

#15 ranmuke

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Posted 28 December 2010 - 11:35 AM

Nope, its possible with a red talisman.

Handicraft as a first skill will max at +5
while Expert as a second skill will max at +10
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#16 exsea

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Posted 28 December 2010 - 11:36 AM

i think handicraft 5 expert 10 is not legit seems a tad too overpowered. lol but i dont know.

i dont know if asking about the cheat is allowed on this forum, so if anyone knows anything please pm me. i d like info on such cheats. (unless mods are ok with this topic then just post it here)

#17 thomthehunter

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Posted 28 December 2010 - 11:36 AM

i kinda like mining in high rank, cept for that roaming uragaan that KO's you instantly when wearing your LR gathering gear, but yeah I've been mining in between quest and whenever I get something that *almost* suits my taste, im forced to mine again hoping i'd bridge the gap between *almost* to *alright*, for me, capcom should allow charms to be made instead of hunt, i dunno how though haven't thought it through XD...

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Posted 28 December 2010 - 11:47 AM

Nope, its possible with a red talisman.

Handicraft as a first skill will max at +5
while Expert as a second skill will max at +10


Theoretically, it is possible (according the THE table mentioned somewhere else), but according to http://hore.mokoaki.net/p4
such charm doesn't exist in any table.

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Posted 28 December 2010 - 11:51 AM

Nope, its possible with a red talisman.

Handicraft as a first skill will max at +5
while Expert as a second skill will max at +10


hmm, maybe you should try this site :
- hore.mokoaki.net/p4 or
- http://mhp3omamori.appspot.com/

put any charm you got until now...
and i believe that charm should be in that site...

handicraft +4 expert +10 (shizuka's) is proved to be exist (i also have that charm)
but handicraft +5 expert +10 is nowhere to be found...

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this table shows that handicraft +5 expert +10 is possible...

but is that charm really exist ?

from my personal grinding experience through volcano, i believe the closest one to tell the truth is the site i posted above... :)

edit : got ninja'ed by spacebar lol :rolleyes:

Edited by JayuZmaN, 28 December 2010 - 11:52 AM.


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Posted 28 December 2010 - 11:52 AM

Honestly,if i could get "legal" charms through any cheat,im definitely gonna do it.

Theres a site floating around that determines the chances of getting a spectic charm.Really,0.43% for a charm?Hell no.

Then again,with such a cheat,people will exploit this to make overpowered charms.

Heres what Holywoodchuck said on GameFAQs.
"You can actually make your own charm using cheats. The max skills can go with the cheat I found was 30 for both skill slots (any skills) and S3."

People will exploit that to no end.

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